tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post9030260362911240677..comments2024-03-05T10:34:30.182-05:00Comments on The Marlowe-Shakespeare Connection: Did Marlowe Die in Padua in 1627? by Peter FareyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-63622737861252526012012-02-29T10:03:00.158-05:002012-02-29T10:03:00.158-05:00…And one of the parts of ‘The First Maid of the We...…And one of the parts of ‘The First Maid of the West’.<br /><br />I don’t know if it is of any use (or interest); but I can find no record of a ‘Thomas Hammon’ in my ‘Gray’s Inn Pension Book’ (1569-1669). There is a ‘Thomas Hammond’, called to the ‘Barr’ on 27th July 1617 (the same day as a ‘Mr. Kellett’, coincidently) so perhaps that is the man we seek?<br /><br />There is another ‘Hammond’ (no other name) mentioned on May 26th 1584 (Eliz 26th year); and these two are the only ones.<br /><br />This book is described as a ‘summary’ though quite what is edited out, I do not know. I suspect it is more detailed minutes of the meetings, rather than names; but I am not certain.Anthony Kellettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-51839523640912412142012-02-29T04:42:10.213-05:002012-02-29T04:42:10.213-05:00Mind you, Thomas Heywood had also dedicated the Fi...Mind you, Thomas Heywood had also dedicated the First Part of <i>The Iron Age</i> (printed 1632) "To my Worthy and much Respected Friend, Mr. Thomas Hammon, of Grayes Inne, Esquire."<br /><br />PeterPeter Fareynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-68136952133042544822012-02-29T00:14:30.643-05:002012-02-29T00:14:30.643-05:00Not any longer, I'm afraid, Dan! At least, not...Not any longer, I'm afraid, Dan! At least, not 'where'. I interpret the poem on the Stratford monument to be saying that he, 'Art', was still alive (now without a page to dish up his wit) when Shakespeare died, and presumably still was when it was erected, probably in late 1621. I also think that Ben Jonson's words "though thou hadst small Latin and less Greek" make best sense if Marlowe was still alive when they appeared in 1623. In this case they could be read as saying either that the addressee <b>had</b> "little Latin and less Greek", if he was dead (like Shakespeare), or that he did <b>not</b> have "little Latin and less Greek", if he was alive (like Marlowe) - thus being appropriate for Marlowe whilst appearing to be appropriate for Shakespeare. I also recall John Baker arguing that Marlowe was still alive in 1633, when the <i>Jew of Malta</i> was published - one reason being that Thomas Heywood's Introduction to it was addressed to "My worthy friend, Master Thomas Hammon, of Gray's Inn" and a Thomas Hammon is listed in William Urry's <i>Christopher Marlowe and Canterbury</i> as a contemporary of Marlowe's at Kings's School Canterbury.<br /><br />PeterPeter Fareynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-84133081804141789932012-02-28T15:39:11.949-05:002012-02-28T15:39:11.949-05:00Any ideas as to where or when Marlowe actually did...Any ideas as to where or when Marlowe actually did die?daver852https://www.blogger.com/profile/06067533090226229731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-76376697024792310722012-02-26T08:04:30.781-05:002012-02-26T08:04:30.781-05:00I absolutely agree with Peter and Erica!I absolutely agree with Peter and Erica!Maureen Duffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-16917653068298451142012-02-24T12:21:42.727-05:002012-02-24T12:21:42.727-05:00Sigh, I was fond of the notion that Marlowe died i...Sigh, I was fond of the notion that Marlowe died in Padua. Ah, well, at least you all have dispelled this idea so that future Marlovian scholars will not have to bother pursuing it. Thank you Peter, Edward, Isabel, and Christian for all the work you put into this!Erikanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-9109970118186821562012-02-24T09:10:04.474-05:002012-02-24T09:10:04.474-05:00Absolutely right, Maureen. But then we should perh...Absolutely right, Maureen. But then we should perhaps compare Edward's undoubtedly helpful use of an internet search engine sitting at his computer with the efforts of Christian and Isabel who actually travelled to Padua and spent days trawling through the archives there! :o) <br /><br />What we all need to congratulate ourselves on is, I think, our readiness to acknowledge publicly where we are mistaken. It is an approach which some of our main opponents would do well to emulate.<br /><br />PeterPeter Fareynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-84803872885032480052012-02-24T08:39:40.389-05:002012-02-24T08:39:40.389-05:00Ironically, as if to prove a Marlovian point, I co...Ironically, as if to prove a Marlovian point, I congratulated Peter because his name is on the article as “the author” and I failed to congratulate Edward as the discoverer of the vital information – even though Edward’s contribution is in plain sight in the body of the post! Psychologically it is very easy to attribute authorship to anyone whose name appears as “the writer” and ignore the rest of the evidence. Name at the front: William Shakespeare. Content and style: Christopher Marlowe. <br /><br />Well done, Edward Clybourn!Maureen Duffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-68098857977147160322012-02-23T10:39:58.549-05:002012-02-23T10:39:58.549-05:00Well, thank you for the kind words, both of you, b...Well, thank you for the kind words, both of you, but it was of course Edward Clybourn who turned up the Watterson article and was good enough to tell us all about it. I just offered to write up the results of the ensuing discussion. <br /><br />I would like to think that Donna's hopes are realised, but somehow I can't help thinking that they probably won't. Interesting that Maureen already knew of the book about Henry Watterson. I have only just stumbled across it myself at http://www.archive.org/stream/henrywattersonre007688mbp#page/n9/mode/2up and found pp.293-4 very useful in installing him as the second known Marlovian in the Wikipedia "Shakespeare Authorship Question" article. A group of mainly Stratfordian editors jealously guards the content, and anything not supported by a "reputable source" like this (even a link to the article itself is prohibited!) is deleted.<br /><br />He (for now at least) gets a mention on both the "Shakespeare Authorship Question" and "Marlovian theory" pages, and I've even added the Bacon/Marlowe/Shakespeare illustration to the latter. I wonder if anyone who is unaware of it until now will be puzzled by how a 1916 article can (other than for the hairstyle) so closely resemble the "Marlowe" portrait which wasn't discovered until 1955?<br /><br />PeterPeter Fareynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-46884963010040518582012-02-23T08:29:02.548-05:002012-02-23T08:29:02.548-05:00Brilliant, Peter. I was aware of Henry Watterson’s...Brilliant, Peter. I was aware of Henry Watterson’s interest in the subject from reading “Henry Watterson: Reconstructed Rebel”, but I hadn’t read his entire article till now. With hindsight, perhaps the association of Washington Irving with the “Pietro Basconi” story was Mr Watterson's wink to his readers that a tall tale was afoot. Famously in 1809 Irving placed a series of hoax missing person ads in New York newspapers, allegedly searching for an old Dutch historian Diedrich Knickerbocker who had not paid his hotel bill and warning that the hotel proprietor threatened to publish a manuscript he’d left behind if the bill wasn't paid. A series of newspaper articles followed, creating such public interest that when Irving published his first major satirical novel, "A History of New York by Diedrich Knickerbocker" it was an immediate critical and financial success - due in no small way to the PR stunt he'd just pulled!Maureen Duffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-31687912360113895862012-02-22T12:47:37.730-05:002012-02-22T12:47:37.730-05:00Thanks, Peter, for your article showing that the &...Thanks, Peter, for your article showing that the "news" about Marlowe dying in Italy in 1627 was almost certainly written as a parody with no factual basis. Hopefully it will divert others from spending their time pursuing this particular lead.Donna Murphynoreply@blogger.com