tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post8075092154075087251..comments2024-03-05T10:34:30.182-05:00Comments on The Marlowe-Shakespeare Connection: A Case for Marlowe - Made Simple by Anthony KellettUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-82664345791634735672011-12-08T07:23:07.687-05:002011-12-08T07:23:07.687-05:00Moreover, I do not believe anagrams are of much us...Moreover, I do not believe anagrams are of much use, when making a verbal presentation at, say, a dinner party; which is what I addressed, in this "talk".Anthony Kellettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-55674735468482368292011-12-08T05:23:13.424-05:002011-12-08T05:23:13.424-05:00Jim - there are so many things wrong with your &qu...Jim - there are so many things wrong with your "one-way anagrams" as a methodology that I'm not going to attempt to argue with you. It does make me sad that you have spent time pursuing this. Thankfully, the Marlovian case rests on more than spurious hidden messages and weak plot analogies. It's great that you want to contribute to the field, but I think you need a much more effective filter on what is useful and relevant.Dan Sayersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-57442468613054417752011-12-07T22:25:12.659-05:002011-12-07T22:25:12.659-05:00Claire: "Jerusalem's King" to spell ...Claire: "Jerusalem's King" to spell "Father Christmas" lacks of F, C, H, T.<br /><br />Dan: "profound Abisme" contains all letters needed to spell "Mary Sidney" (y and i interchangeable in Elizabethan times). The method is to spell the target name fully. If you check my links will see. This logic applies to all my anagrams, without a letter missing.<br /><br />About Marlowe's Fake Death<br /><br />No name no authorship, Marlowe knew that. If he intended to reveal the truth, he must seal his name the same logic in many places, and told his story the same time.<br /><a href="http://www.blogger.com/goog_958347107" rel="nofollow"><br /></a><br /><a href="http://wordplay-shakespeare.blogspot.com/2011/07/three-apparitions-in-macbeth-symbol-and.html" rel="nofollow">Apparitions in Macbeth</a><br />- Armed Head: using Marlowe's (armed) brain without his face and body.<br />- Bloody Child: Marlowe's rebirth "none of woman born" in 1593, a bloody fake death <i>untimely ripped</i>.<br />- Crowned Child with Tree in hand: a martyr walked and worked like Jesus. Tree is the cross on which Christ was crucified (OED 4a). It's also a wordplay of Christ-opher Marlowe (Christ-to-fall mar-low), Marlowe the god of plays (to come) but marred and low as a child now.<br /><br /><a href="http://wordplay-shakespeare.blogspot.com/2011/07/birnam-wood-and-dunsinane-hill.html" rel="nofollow">Birnam and Dunsinane</a><br />Witches' praises to Macbeth can spell <i>Christopher Marlowe</i>. Macbeth's fear of "Birnam Dunsinane" can spell <i>Mary Sidney</i>. The repeating of Birnam and Dunsinane in the play is a hint. The two name were carefully selected to compose the anagram. In record Macbeth did not fail in Dunsinane but Lumphanan.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-69658043055012428372011-12-06T16:46:44.815-05:002011-12-06T16:46:44.815-05:00What annoys me most about Stratfordians is their t...What annoys me most about Stratfordians is their tendency to confuse speculation with fact. We don't know that William Shakespeare attended the Stratford grammar school; if he did, we don't know if he received an "excellent education" there (the frequent change of headmasters indicates some problems); we don't know that he was the target of Greene's attack in "A Groatsworth of Wit;" we do not even know for certain if this man could read and write. It is perfectly acceptable to indulge in speculation, of course, but it should not be presented as fact. Marlovians are by far the most meticulous in documenting the facts that support their hypotheses; if one sticks to the facts, Marlowe emerges as by far the most likely candidate to be the author of the Shakespearian canon.daver852https://www.blogger.com/profile/06067533090226229731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-23091665893098905102011-12-06T11:57:37.337-05:002011-12-06T11:57:37.337-05:00Thanks Anthony - it's good to hear a version o...Thanks Anthony - it's good to hear a version of how to present the Marlovian theory as a genuine rational likelihood. Your last paragraph is spot on.<br /><br />I don't think the case for Marlowe can be proved, but it seems stronger to me than the case for Shaksper. That there is no acceptance of any doubt at all by Stratfordians is really quite ludicrous: such unswerving dogma should be an embarrassment to serious scholarship.<br /><br />Jim: no. Just no. Especially in response to a post about the logical strength of the Marlovian argument.Dan Sayersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-86013869124795037672011-12-06T07:55:53.948-05:002011-12-06T07:55:53.948-05:00Jim: '"profound Abisme" can spell Ma...Jim: '"profound Abisme" can spell Mary Sidney'<br /><br />Oh come on. There's not following the orthodox, and then there's totally making stuff up. Conventional anagrams might be "easy" but your method - sorry, actually, is there any kind of method? - is so easy as to be utterly meaningless. Following your examples 'Jerusalem's King' can spell 'Father Christmas'. Proving absolutely nothing, other than my wish to bend evidence to suit my argument.Claire Haywardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-534517495835492942011-12-06T01:16:45.799-05:002011-12-06T01:16:45.799-05:00Yes, strict anagrams are easy and useless. Wilton ...Yes, strict anagrams are easy and useless. Wilton House poets used one-way anagrams, like Thomas Middleton's crickets to critic. In this way they could seal messages easier and safer.<br /><br />Middleton: "Thou breedest crickets, I think, and that will serve for the anagram to a critic." They didn't follow the orthodox.<br /><br />"Marigold Sunne" may be a twist, or not; try another. Mary protected Marlowe after his fake death. Sonnet 112 tells how Marlowe arranged his "dispense" but fell into a profound abysm. <br /><br />Dispense is to make a special arrangement whereby the penalty of a law is remitted in his case (OED 4); "profound Abisme" can spell Mary Sidney, whose protection is profound but dark forever. (<a href="http://wordplay-shakespeare.blogspot.com/2011/03/sonnet-112-dispense.html" rel="nofollow">sonnet 112</a>)<br /><br />Without Pembroke and Ben Jonson, the set-up of Shakespeare's monument and epitaph would be hard for Marlowe.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-67052817409356809412011-12-05T09:54:50.903-05:002011-12-05T09:54:50.903-05:00Very well done, Anthony. One should also be aware ...Very well done, Anthony. One should also be aware that Burghley was also Chancellor of Cambridge University, and that his son Robert Cecil attended it while Marlowe was there. Also, the Earl of Southampton was there while Marlowe was at Corpus Christi. Indeed, Marlowe may have tutored the Earl at the behest of Burghley,the Earl's guardian. That might explain why Venus and Adonis was dedicated to the Earl years later.Sam Blumenfeldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-58836316276814253932011-12-05T05:17:49.742-05:002011-12-05T05:17:49.742-05:00"Ganymede Helles Bracelet" is not an ana..."Ganymede Helles Bracelet" is not an anagram of "Mary Sidney Herbert". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anagram: "An anagram is a type of word play, the result of rearranging the letters of a word or phrase to produce a new word or phrase, using all the original letters exactly once." <br /><br />For the same reason, nor does "Marigold Sunne" spell "Mary Sidney". You are closer with "Marigold low torches" but that is because you have chosen the phrase in order to get a match. This is not the automatic phrase that anyone would come up with looking at that particular engraving. Therefore utterly useless as an anagram (even if it was one).<br /><br />Anagrams are not are useful way forward when trying to make a case for Marlovian theory; it has been proved time and again that the English language is flexible enough to make anagrams supporting almost any theory you entertain. Even more so if you break the rules of what constitutes an anagram to the extant that you are doing.Claire Haywardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-80617547974008470892011-12-05T01:07:46.992-05:002011-12-05T01:07:46.992-05:00Two things about Marlowe's Hero and Leander
1...Two things about Marlowe's <i>Hero and Leander</i><br /><br />1. Leander was taken as Ganymede and kept alive by Helles Bracelet. Original story has no such thing. "Ganymede Helles Bracelet" is an anagram of Mary Sidney Herbert. Marlowe was saved by Mary and became her Ganymede with hell's bracelet to bind his writing arm. (<a href="http://wordplay-shakespeare.blogspot.com/2011/11/ganymede-and-helles-bracelet-hero-and.html" rel="nofollow">detail</a>)<br /><br />2. Two marigolds share one root in the emblem of <i>Hero and Leander</i>, one facing the Sun and the other low at night lighted by five torches. "Marigold Sunne" spells Mary Sidney; "Marigold low torches" spells Christopher Marlowe except P, which is mended by five as Phi, the reason to have five torches. Marlowe tried to tell the world that he and Mary are one. (<a href="http://wordplay-shakespeare.blogspot.com/2011/08/marigold-in-hero-and-leander-by.html" rel="nofollow">detail</a>)<br /><br />Many such anagrams exist by Marlowe and Mary's Wilton House (Mr. W. H.) using Shakespeare as their pen name. Pembroke had the power to deal with Oxford or Bacon (and she won). Ben Jonson was loyal to the Herberts, that is how Marlowe linked with Jonson.Jimnoreply@blogger.com