tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post4867699089678281836..comments2024-03-05T10:34:30.182-05:00Comments on The Marlowe-Shakespeare Connection: The Similarity Between the Marlowe and Shakespeare Coats of Arms by Dave Randall, with Donna N. MurphyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-6403229214784059702015-04-23T10:01:29.454-04:002015-04-23T10:01:29.454-04:00Dethick and Camden replied that Shakespeare's ...Dethick and Camden replied that Shakespeare's coat-of-arms bore no more resemblance to the Mauley shield than it did to those of the Harley and Ferrers families, which also bore a "bend sable," plus it had a spear.<br /><br />The exact wording is provided in E.K. Chambers' "William Shakespeare. A Study of Facts and Problems" (p. 22):<br /><br />It maye as well be said That Harley who bearethe Gould a bend 2 Cotizes Sable, or Ferrers etc., or any other that beare Silver, or Gould a bend charged in like manner, Vsurpe the Coate of the Lo; Mauley. As for the Speare on the Bend, is a patible difference. And the man was A magestrat in Stratford vpon Avon. A Justice of peace he maryed A daughter and heyre of Ardern, and was of good substance and habelité.Donna Murphynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-87388309152519503022015-04-23T05:33:31.393-04:002015-04-23T05:33:31.393-04:00Very interesting. What reasons were given in the s...Very interesting. What reasons were given in the successful defence of the design of the Shakespeare coat of arms?Tim Nashnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-3960974438684809742015-04-21T01:29:50.820-04:002015-04-21T01:29:50.820-04:00Ok; and that makes sense, too, with respect to the...Ok; and that makes sense, too, with respect to the Fossards. De Maulay’s wife was a Thornham, her Mother being a Fossard; and both being the heirs of that barony. So, when Peter de Maulay married Isabella Thornham (at great cost – ‘Lackland’ being true to form!), one assumes de Maulay incorporated her arms into his existing ones – and, one further assumes, replaced his escutcheon with the Fossard version (since that is the only element we have, here).<br /><br />Matthew Paris apparently recorded Arms for de Maulay, which has a ‘maunch’ together with the Fossard shield. The maunch would presumably be due to its ‘M’ shape. This gives us a date range between Maulay’s marriage in 1213 and Paris’ death in 1259; though I doubt he waited too long, having paid such a huge sum for the right.<br />Anthony Kellettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-48747133951094125762015-04-20T20:59:16.576-04:002015-04-20T20:59:16.576-04:00You are correct, Anthony. These arms were recorded...You are correct, Anthony. These arms were recorded as belonging to Peter (or Piers) de Mauley in the 13th century. Before the visitations of the heralds in the 15th century, it was not uncommon for two or more families to use the same arms, especially when the blazon was a simple one, such as "or, a bend sable." In "Some Feudal Coats of Arms from Heraldic Rolls 1298-1418"<br />by Joseph Foster, it is noted that these same arms were also used by Robert Fossard and some members of the illustrious Bigod family.<br /><br />The de Mauley family had several branches, and differenced their arms by adding charges to the bend; the Lord Mauley mentioned in reference to the Shakespeare grant of arms bore "or, on a bend sable, three dolphins embowed, argent."<br /><br />It is likely that the Marlows and Marleys who used "or, a bend sable" as their arms were some relation to the more illustrious de Mauley family. One common variation of the name was "Mawley," and they also had similar arms. It's not a big step from Mawley to Marley.<br /><br />In theory, no two individuals were supposed to have the same arms, but in practice this was difficult to enforce, especially when the arms were born "of ancient usage." <br /><br />One thing is certain: someone named Marlow and/or Marley was using these arms, or they would not have shown up in "Burke's Armory." Unfortunately, we don't have access to the source documents used to make the attribution.daver852https://www.blogger.com/profile/06067533090226229731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6942147318185235475.post-37861012726046549552015-04-20T16:01:32.445-04:002015-04-20T16:01:32.445-04:00I don’t know if this is of any use (or relevance),...I don’t know if this is of any use (or relevance), but I believe the first arms shown belonged to <a href="http://goo.gl/VhF1FP" rel="nofollow">Peter de Mauley</a>.Anthony Kellettnoreply@blogger.com